The one where I talk about guns part two

I talked about guns on my blog a couple of days ago.

I thought, with it being such a contentious issue, that there might be some disagreements with my perspective. And I was fine with that. For the most part, the comments section was left very cordial and very respectful. Emails that I got on the other hand… that’s a whole different story.

Part of me thinks these emails that I did receive were sent to me via email rather than the person leaving a comment on my page because keyboard warriors much prefer the art of anonymity rather than allowing me to know what their blog link is.

I could be wrong. And by all means, if you are reading this and you’re the person that wrote me the nasty emails, feel free to share your blog link with me. I’d love to read more of your perspective that isn’t in the form of nasty emails.

For the purpose of this post, though, I’d like to clarify that my perspectives about guns, gun violence and the bad people in this world that commit violent acts towards others, they do not come from an uninformed place. I am not naive with respect to the subject, or the world that we live in for that matter.

I don’t talk a lot of specifics about the people in my life. That’s for a reason. Sure, I mention their existence, but I respect their privacy and I know that they haven’t agreed to me talking about them all over the internet, so I try to not mention anything too personal about any of them. That being said, here’s some personal info:

A member of my immediate family served as a police officer for 26 year in several Canadian cities. A member of my extended family presently serves as a Police Detective in a major American city that’s population has very deep trust issues with the police. I also once dated someone who’s father was the Chief of Police.

I’ve heard stories that the general public would never be privy to, ever. Horrifying, terrifying stories about what goes on behind the scenes. Things that police officers deal with that never make it to the five-o-clock news.

I’ve sat at the side of a hospital bed to hold the hand of someone recovering from surgery and a bullet wound.

I’ve hugged someone just seconds after they learned their loved one had been shot and killed, feeling their tears running down my shoulder as I held them tightly, trying to give them some comfort in what can, at times, be an extraordinarily cruel world.

In early 2019 I briefly had a roommate who was in the process of applying for his firearms license. This was a deeply distressed man with a very expensive cocaine addiction who Knight and I often considered might even be bipolar. As we watched him go through the process of obtaining his firearm license because, and I quote directly ‘guns are fun and shit’, I was reminded that it’s a lot easier to get a firearm license in this country than it is to get a driver’s license. And that scared me. It scared me a lot. Watching him go through the process to obtain his firearm license brought back a lot of bad memories for me.

It’s easier to get a firearms license than it is to get a drivers license. And why? Because ‘guns are fun and shit’ is not a reasonable answer.

Okay, to touch on another piece to this topic that I think often gets overlooked…. when someone obtains a firearms license, they’re subject to a background check before they’re able to get the license. Thing is, a background check doesn’t tell whether or not you’ve committed a crime, it merely tells where you’ve been convicted of a crime. I think people often use the passing of this background check as a means to proclaim someone a ‘law abiding citizen’ when the truth is, passing a background check does not make you law abiding, it just means that you’ve never been charged or convicted for the things that you’ve done. And there are A LOT of people in this world who have no criminal record who commit heinous acts both with and without guns on a daily basis. So when people throw around the term ‘law abiding citizen’ that’s a red flag for me. This roommate that Knight and I briefly lived with in 2019, he was in no way, shape or form a law abiding citizen (on several fronts, not just related to his affection for possessing and distributing illegal substances) and he passed his background check.

Nevertheless, this post isn’t about him. This post is about the fact that, if you want to call me naive, idiotic or tell me that I’m misinformed about guns, you’re severely mistaken. I’d be happy to have an open and respectful conversation about where our differences lie, but if your first inclination is to hurl insults my direction because you’re unhappy with my perspective, I suspect that conversation likely won’t go very far.

I don’t like guns.

I don’t say that haphazardly, or from an uninformed perspective. I’m not a ‘stupid leftist’. I’m not naive with respect to the subject. I just don’t like guns.

Also, to clarify, in no way, shape or form in that post that I made did I state that guns should be banned all together. There are times and places where guns are important. I simply said that I agreed with the Prime Minister, that in Canadian society, there’s no need for every day citizens to possess assault rifles.

22 people lost their lives in Nova Scotia in April. The announcement the Prime Minister made banning these guns from being legally owned in Canada is the first step in what I’m sure will be a multi-layered plan to clean these weapons from our society as I agree with him, they’re not necessary for every day people to possess. I didn’t say that was the only step. I also said that any plans in place by law enforcement and the federal and provincial governments to stop the flow of weapons being illegally transported into Canada would NEVER be publicized. People who use this talking point that ‘Canada needs to focus on stopping weapons illegally transported into the country’ are doing nothing more than deflecting. They know enough to know that information would never be made public knowledge. It’s just easier to look outraged than it is to suggest that there might be more than one solution to fixing this problem.

Also, to the people who left comments on that post suggesting that mental health services could play an integral piece to the puzzle, I agree. But I would like it noted that it’s not the only piece to the puzzle. Easier access to mental health resources for any and all citizens is a great benefit and could probably play an important impact. But it’s not the fix it solution. It’s a piece. Because there will always be people who fall through the cracks. There will always be people who avoid help or distrust help or just flat out are too stubborn to ask for help. And those people, those people are still legally allowed to obtain firearm licenses in this country and it’s easier for them to do so than it is for them to get a drivers license. Thaaaaaat is why legally banning assault rifles and semi-automatic/fully-automatic weapons is also an integral piece to the puzzle.

32 thoughts on “The one where I talk about guns part two

  1. I am also not in favor of giving guns to common people. When a person is angry he can do anything with anyone. It’s the duty of government & police to enforce law and order. It’s their responsibility to make people feel safe. Giving guns to people is not a solution. It creates problem only

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  2. Hopefully this person/people who sent private emails to you will take up your offer to debate the topic. However, there are a lot of people that seem to be very lazy thinkers – just going to a default thought-line without ever questioning the logic of their own thinking… when someone is physically lazy, there are obvious signs and it always leads to health problems. Same with lazy minds.

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  3. I don’t like guns either, I only support them for hunting purposes since that is more natural than buying meat from the grocery store. Though because we cannot change society, in any apocalypse society I think our views for guns would change because as easy as it would say ‘I won’t give in they just kill me for my food’ survival instinct is very strong that we cannot even really understand until it kicks in. I have been in questionable situations and honestly probably would have felt safer with a gun instead of just hoping I or my friends won’t get attacked when all I could really do is jab them in the eye with my key and run away? Not so helpful though against a group though. So in a way I do believe in self defense, but truly self defense. As in if some shady mother fuckers breaks into your home and threatens yours or your family’s life, please don’t wait for the police…of course call 911 but react in the situations, this person is clearly not afraid of the law and this person is not going to sit around for the police to arrive. It is rare that it happens in society, but it can happen. Even then, I still don’t own a gun. So it is like I am okay with it being used in truly self defense moments, it is just not for me. I have never fired a gun, not even out hunting because I was too scared I’d miss the shot and target practice is never my idea of fun. Seeing an animal shot and some even suffer because of missed shot also made me question my likeness for meat. I didn’t gp vegan for a long time, but I am now (for the most part…trying to go full time haha)

    I stick with my stance though anything can be used as a weapon. I mentioned I know how to get away from someone and causing them physical harm without a gun. You can kill someone with a knife and it is a lot slower and more painful I’d imagine than being shot. People have argued capitol punishment is more painful than being shot. Survey’s have shown if served capitol punishment they’d rather fire squad I think it is called (where they do kill you by a gun) than the electric chair and/or lethal injection. Lethal injects sounds all peaceful until you find out your organs shut down one by one. My belief is society is violent and that is what we need to solve. In the mean time we do need solutions such as banning assault weapons (shotgun is another one that is more damaging than an assault weapon) because we need quick fixes and yes we do need to be babysat. LIke you said there are many problems in society and we need to go forward with working on all of them.

    I don’t like guns, but that is a personal thing just like you. So obviously I don’t disagree with your stance at all. 🙂

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  4. Not really a fan of guns either. I live in a conservative state, with a lot of preppers and right-wingers and hunters, all of which tout their second amendment rights. A few of my best friends could singlehandedly provide enough firepower to suppress a full-fledged zombie apocalypse. But I don’t own any. And I probably never will. Guns are too loud, too scary, too easy to get, and too easy to use. Life is difficult enough, and they make it way too simple to end it.

    Now I do hunt, I just don’t do it with a gun. Don’t need one. People’ve been killing shit for thousands and thousands of years without them. But recently it’s grown way to easy to do it on a massive, terrifying scale. And I agree with you that people don’t need fully- or semi-automatic weapons for… well, any reason, really. I’m not terribly optimistic about my government doing anything about it, though. If they did, my state would secede. I mean, maybe not everyone but… yeah, probably. But I applaud y’all for being more realistic and more definitive. And I hate that you’ve had the experience with them that you have. I’ve seen many a person’s eyes light up when they saw them fired or when they picked them up. I know that they can bring fascination and even some good. But yeah, I still don’t like them.

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      1. I think it was one person. The form was filled out on my contact page and fake email addresses were written in. I’m assuming from the typing style that it was the same person for the emails.

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  5. I just commented on another WP that I just minutes ago read that a worker in a Flint, Michigan Dollar Store was shot and killed for asking a customer to put on a mask. We have rights…(I am shaking my head right now and trying to make sense of this.) People will always be people and make comments for or against guns, as that is their right. My right is to stay away from them and not listen and vote for more legislation. Outlawing guns will not make the problem go away. Getting these monsters out of our political offices is what is needed.

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  6. I own fire arms, I obey the law its as simple as that. The larger issue is every time there is a horrific murder we get the same predictable reactions: Ban some form of fire arm. Its a reaction to what has happened, but it keeps on happening. What would be a better approach would be to identify why these killings are happening and address that.

    Firearms are an easy target because its not something everyone partakes in. What happens when government takes something away you like to partake in? Things change a lot when something you enjoy is taken away. Your liberty is violated, you are penalized for the actions of someone else. The arguments then become “well you dont need that kind of weapon” That might be true. The slippery slope is someone else is telling me what I do and do not need.

    Its all great in the abstract, until the government tells you you cant have something you want, and they tell you what you need. Anyway great posts, to bad about the emails, but anonymity often breeds courage. Reasonable people can have reasonable discussions. Most people have their minds made up anyway, discourse is often just a way to affirm how they feel.

    Take care.

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    1. Thank you for your comment. While I know you and I likely won’t ever meet anywhere near the middle on this subject, I can appreciate your willingness to have open dialogue and share your perspective in such a nice way. Open dialogue is so important, so I really appreciated this comment.

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      1. Thanks for keeping a safe blog for people to come in chat. I come here and read your posts because I appreciate your point of view, even when I disagree. To many people live in an echo chamber now. Take care V, talk to you soon.

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  7. V, I wholeheartedly agree with your perspective and think you have made some great points. Obviously, you have some experience here. I do know good people who own guns and use them for hunting. Others buy into the “personal protection” theory. It’s just not my thing. I hate guns, think they are needless unless you are a law officer, and don’t support gun rights. Sorry, just not my thing. I don’t want to hear them, see them, or touch them.
    I am working towards a future where people live on a higher vibrational level, have perspective, and see goodness in humanity. It’s a dream right now, but someday….

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  8. I don’t like guns either V. I’m not surprised that some people emailed you incognito and all. Some people, right?! Guns are not the answer and have never solved a single problem. I agree with many others on here that they definitely cause lots of problems.

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  9. We have the same fight here 🤨 And we have a constitution that was written over 200 years ago giving the right to bear arms… back then you needed that to protect your homestead or hunting whatever … it was back in 1776!! They had no way of knowing how the future was going to be!!

    I have many examples of gun violence here in the United States … 🤨😢💔

    But at the same time – I know both sides… wanting a ban on guns, you don’t want to worry people gonna lose it… and then I can also understand having the right to want to have that. Whether it be for protection or sport? Like hunting

    You definitely don’t need semi automatics or AKs 🤨

    But I also have friends that have gun collections – just for the collection.

    I always think of Sandy Hook with that though… there was a gun collection and the kid had access to it… his mental health was not stable obviously.

    So you can do all those checks and background checks… but that does not secure your safety – there is a way around everything. Things slip through the cracks

    Same as with the homeless population… how do you handle these things? It’s never going to be a perfect world. How do you solve these problems?

    And like you said … there is an underground so you can say no… but that doesn’t stop people?

    It’s a problem.

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  10. In the 15th of March 2019 a gunman shot and killed 51 people and injured 49 people in two Mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand. Our Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern immediately got a law past to ban all semi automatic guns. This has worked really well and I am pleased other countries are doing this.

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  11. I understand what you’re saying and I believed it wholeheartedly for 39 years of my life…then I went to jail. It was my first time meeting a lot of criminals, 99% far more violent than I am. Because I’m charming, I became “friends inside” with them. (It means you’re friends in jail, but that all ends the moment one of you walks out. Not really a big loss.) Anyway, I heard so many stories about crime and reached a conclusion…any criminal who wants a gun will get one, and most already have guns. Yes, at least in America, it’s a felony for a former inmate to have a gun (not a big deal in my case, I’ve never owned one) but here’s an obvious thing about criminals: They don’t follow the law. Responsible gun owners do follow the law. Gun laws are created mainly for criminals who have no intention of ever following them. It’s like when your teacher would punish everyone in class because one kid acted like a jackass. It wasn’t fair. You may even say it was unjust. I appreciate the rhetoric of making it harder to get a certain type of gun, etc., but criminals aren’t turning in their now-illegal weapons, just the ones who were already following the law. So what’s the point?

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  12. Full disclosure: I am a civil libertarian. I recognize the dangers presented by firearms, but I don’t support bans such as the one that has been instituted in Canada. I don’t think you are a stupid liberal, hopefully you don’t think I am a stupid conservative. Be that as it may, we both have reasons for our positions, and I can certainly respect the position that you hold,

    I get a little concerned whenever we start talking about these issues without looking at numbers or statistics. It feels like we have a tendency to let emotions rule the day, rather than factual evidence as to what’s going on.

    It’s interesting to me, when I look at the numbers, to compare gun violence and automobile related deaths. The estimate is that 38,000 people in the United States die from car accidents every year. Most of us know someone who has died this way. Aside from the deaths many people are seriously injured by car accidents. (I was fortunate to walk away from a serious car accident many years ago, but I still deal with the injuries on a daily basis.)

    Where does this fall in relation to gun deaths? Well, those numbers seem to vary depending on where you look and the political leanings of the group reporting them, but the most generous estimate for the number of gun deaths puts them on roughly an equal footing with automobile deaths.

    https://everytownresearch.org/gun-violence-america/

    As you can clearly see from a quick perusal of their website this group has a clear and definite axe to grind, so I am somewhat suspicious of their statistics, but it’s hard to find gun related statistics where this isn’t the case.

    It’s also worth noting that the bast majority of gun related deaths are suicides. Terrible, but in a way much less random than car related deaths.

    This is where my liberal friends stop me and say that I can’t talk about cars. To which I say “why not?”

    Of course, I know exactly why I can’t talk about cars. We all know that cars end lives. We know that it is random. We know that in some way it is entirely senseless. But… can I capitalize the word BUT? We have deemed that cars are essential for our lifestyle.

    Mind you, it is not that cars are essential. People lived for millions of years without self-propelled devices taking them from place to place. I live near several Amish communities that still don’t use them But in order to live the lifestyle which we feel is our right in the western world we need cars. Hence, the inevitable deaths inherent in the act of driving are simply a price we must pay.

    And this is why guns are such a contentious subject today: do we need them for our lifestyle? Is the price of lives lost due to gun violence worth it, as we almost invariably agree that it is for cars?

    Those who argue for gun rights are generally the people for whom guns still are an integral part of their lifestyle. That’s where it gets sticky for me. Essentially we have two lifestyle tools, both of which kill a roughly similar number of people. Is a lifestyle where guns are central is inferior to a lifestyle centered on cars? How far do we go down the road in determining what people do, and do not need?

    Anytime a government sees fit to make the cross from instrument of justice to lifestyle police I find it concerning.

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    1. I completely respect and appreciate your opinions on the subject matter, and I thank you for willingly sharing them with me in a kind and respectful manner. As mentioned, I appreciate being able to have open dialogue on the subject matter because I think that’s far more important that people throwing metaphorical sticks and stones (as that gets people nowhere). In reading your perspective, I do have two questions for you. (And these are just from a sheer curiosity standpoint. I just want to know what your thoughts are)

      1) Would you consider suicide by gun a form of gun violence? Why or why not?
      2) Using the example of cars (that you provided) would you considered it an act of the government crossing from instrument of justice to lifestyle police when there are things like restrictions of how much alcohol one can drink before it’s no longer safe for them to drive and requirements that all babies and children that are less than 80 lbs be in car seats/booster seats?

      Prior to reading your comment, I’d honestly never considered comparing guns to vehicles before. And genuinely, when I first read your comment my initial thought was ‘that’s basically comparing apples to oranges, they’re not the same thing’. But, upon further inspection of the subject matter, I came to the realization that, they kind of can be the same thing, if you look at it from the perspective of them both being ‘essential to our lifestyle’ as you suggested. I guess that’s where the question about cars came from.

      Imposed regulations with respect to driving are widely understood and (for the most part) respected, to the point where, if someone saw a baby not in a car seat, they’d probably fear for that child’s life. But, imposed regulations with respect to guns are not seen as being done for safety, they’re seen as being done to infringe on gun owner’s rights. Does forcing a baby to be in a car seat infringe on a parent’s rights to parent how they so desire?

      And again, I just want to say that I ask these questions out of curiosity and wanting to hear another perspective on the matter. This does not come from an argumentative place, it comes from an appreciation for the discussion place and the fact that I appreciated your comment and that it left me with more questions for you. I hope that’s alright.

      Anyways, I’ll stop rambling now because this comment I’ve written is hella long.

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      1. Those are great questions, and I don’t see them as argumentative at all.

        First, gun suicide is violence, and it does involve a firearm. So in a technical sense it is gun related violence. Suicide differs from other forms of violence merely because the individual perpetrating it aware of, and in agreement with, the outcome. That makes it a little different from shootings, or random killings. It should be noted that car related suicides and homicides also exist. I don’t know any numbers on those.

        I would think that with most suicides the act has been perpetrated before the means present themselves, although guns do provide a very easy means.

        I would also note that assault weapons bans will probably have little to no effect on gun suicide rates, as smaller or even single shot weapons do the trick just fine in those situations.(As an aside, assault weapons are difficult to define, the Fort Hood shooter used a very average shotgun and wreaked large amounts of havoc with it, totally different discussion, but throwing it in here anyway. Okay, lots of asides, I apologize.)

        Moving on to the car question: I actually think this is really interesting. Most of the regulations regarding cars have to do with how they are to be properly operated, while most of the proposed regulations regarding guns have to do with what kind of guns should be allowed. At least where I live it’s extremely easy to buy a car, all you need is cash and a couple signatures. Getting the proper licensing to drive that car on public roads, however, is a totally different story.

        There are some similar restrictions surrounding gun use. When I was a kid I took a gun safety course that was quite rigorous. It is my understanding that these courses are now online, which in my view is extremely unfortunate. Getting the fear of God put into you regarding the dangers of guns by people who respect them when you’re a twelve year old is something every kid should experience.

        On a related note, here in Wisconsin they are saying that kids who can’t take their driving road tests due to COVID might just be given their licenses anyway. Also dumb as hell. If you’re driving on a public road, or engaging in public hunting then it only makes sense that you should be properly trained in the use of the dangerous instruments you are using. Private ranges would be stupid not to have similar requirements, for a myriad of reasons.

        One other note: Our Declaration of Independence has this great phrase in it. “All men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights governments are instituted among men.” Not trying to be condescending by quoting this, I’m sure you’re well aware of this passage. What I think is interesting is that almost all of the major political issues we deal with today, from healthcare, to abortion, to gun control, are issues that arise when one of these rights conflicts with another right. I think that’s interesting.

        Hmm…. I’m not sure if any of that was helpful…

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      2. I would suggest to you that there are more regulations about what you can and cannot do with vehicles (that have nothing to do with safety regulations) than you’re likely thinking about. You sent me down a deep dive the other day with your comment, and my conclusion after several hours of research and thought given to the subject was that the transportation and vehicle industries are heavily regulated in ways that have to do with safety but also, have absolutely nothing to do with safety and are just preferences of the government.

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  13. You’re so right when you say that information about the war on illegal guns in Canada would not be publicized. Just because you don’t see things in the news about it doesn’t mean it isn’t happening. It is. I am so sorry to hear you got emails like that. That’s horrible. I don’t like guns either but I agree with you, in certain circumstances I see no issues with them ie. hunting and even some sports such as clay shooting, etc. but assault-type rifles are not needed. I even know people who own them that agree that this is a needed step and as long as it is handled correctly with a proper buy-back program etc that they are all for it. On the other hand, I know people with them that think that this infringes on their rights. But as I said in your other post. Canadians do not actually have this right laid out in the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms so again saying that on their part is misguided. I will be honest I was not a fan of Trudeau before all of this stuff this year but now I do think he is doing a good job in the face of some impossible situations including covid-19.

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    1. That’s a very valid point… we’ve don’t have a ‘right to bear arms’ in our declaration. It’s just been something the government has allowed, provided that it was kept under control. That being said, it seems more and more the past few years that gun violence is getting out of control…

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  14. That last sentence is puzzling compared to your narrative against guns. The first semi auto was 1885. It’s like saying your for teeth but against dentists. Haha. Semi auto is a pretty standard feature. Although, I do agree with you. I think your reasons don’t encompass the gravity of the problem. In America, there’s more guns than people. I grew up in the ghetto and gun violence was less of an issue but was perceived as the major issue in most ghettos nationally. A micro problem of a few persons that chose extreme violence with a gun in ghettos created the macro problem of all people in ghettos are violent. It’s interesting to discuss because we don’t see how the facts overlay because of our class divisions. Even the definitions can’t be agreed upon. Assault rifles are military versions and, are banned. The trigger mechanism is different and I really needed them in the military but I don’t need them now. There is a high percentage, of individuals in these mass shootings since the 60’s that are middle class and have had every opportunity. Yet, the perception remains on a macro level that ghettos are gun toting places of violence. Hopefully, you see where the facts are the same but the perception in your argument suffers.

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  15. I agree 💯 with you. I’m against guns too. Some people in certain neighborhoods need guns for protection, but I’m against violence in general and the obtaining of guns is becoming really easy. California school shootings are proof of that. All the crimes that occur when people who shouldn’t own guns have guns is proof. My cousin was shot and killed in California seven years ago while he was in the middle of traffic because some drunk guy with a gun decided to start shooting. He was 25 years old. My brother was with him at the time of the shooting and is still traumatized because of seeing his cousin get killed in front of him. A month ago, the brother of my cousin, who is also obviously my cousin, drank himself to death after years of depression because of what happened to his brother 7 years ago.

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